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VisitorQ at 2005-12-26 18:14:07

i gotta grant it to these guysthey may be one of the biggest bullshitters in the modern history of misinformation, but considering the actual footage that is mostly videly available to anyone in th web, they've definitely put the package together with certain style n skillz. gj fellas!! most enjoyable entertainment... =P

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enigs at 2005-12-27 10:07:00

quote:i gotta grant it to these guysthey may be one of the biggest bullshitters in the modern history of misinformation, but considering the actual footage that is mostly videly available to anyone in th web, they've definitely put the package together with certain style n skillz. gj fellas!! most enjoyable entertainment... =PI'm a bullshitter, eh? You care to elaborate on that, or you just want to use the internet as a soapbox to anonymously trash other people's hard work?-Dylan

Subject : Respect

Zorba the Geek at 2005-12-27 13:56:37

This is THE BEST 9/11 documentary to date, no-one has done more than Dylan to get the pure &amp; simple truth out.Huge respect to him for permitting it to be torrented so early.Excellent work. Everyone must see this. Can't recommend it highly enough. Visit: <a href="/redirect?http://www.loosechange911.com">http://www.loosechange911.com</a>M

enigs at 2005-12-27 18:07:00

QUOTE: See Quoted Post Belowi gotta grant it to these guysthey may be one of the biggest bullshitters in the modern history of misinformation, but considering the actual footage that is mostly videly available to anyone in th web, they've definitely put the package together with certain style n skillz. gj fellas!! most enjoyable entertainment... =PI'm a bullshitter, eh? You care to elaborate on that, or you just want to use the internet as a soapbox to anonymously trash other people's hard work?-Dylan

Zorba the Geek at 2005-12-27 21:56:37

This is THE BEST 9/11 documentary to date, no-one has done more than Dylan to get the pure & simple truth out.Huge respect to him for permitting it to be torrented so early.Excellent work. Everyone must see this. Can't recommend it highly enough. Visit: <a href="/redirect?http://www.loosechange911.com">http://www.loosechange911.com</a>M

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VisitorQ at 2005-12-28 12:11:49

quote:I'm a bullshitter, eh? You care to elaborate on that, or you just want to use the internet as a soapbox to anonymously trash other people's hard work?-Dylandude, somehow i doubt a famous filmmaker such as Dylan Avery could care less about some pathetic w4r3z0rs flaming opinions in a dam torrent forum..besides, i thought there was more positive than negative feedback on my meager post:i've seen both of the docs, and ejoyed them, tremendously.and i still think they're just a mean to benefit from the circus that surrounds the tragedy, by putting together some of the main arguments that conspiracy theory buffs have been throwing around the web since day one, thus creating totally controversial entity: a straight-out assault and accusation of blaming one's goverment of murdering it's own citizens... but i guess someone had to do itand hey, i enjoyed it. as did all my friends i screened it to. mission accomplished?

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enigs at 2005-12-28 14:28:33

quote:dude, somehow i doubt a famous filmmaker such as Dylan Avery could care less about some pathetic w4r3z0rs flaming opinions in a dam torrent forum..Nope, it's me. I keep my eye on all Loose Change torrents. That and I use this site on a daily basis for my own purposes.Famous? Ha. I wish.quote:besides, i thought there was more positive than negative feedback on my meager post: i've seen both of the docs, and ejoyed them, tremendously.Yea, but then you follow up with this:quote:and i still think they're just a mean to benefit from the circus that surrounds the tragedy, by putting together some of the main arguments that conspiracy theory buffs have been throwing around the web since day one, thus creating totally controversial entity: a straight-out assault and accusation of blaming one's goverment of murdering it's own citizens... but i guess someone had to do itand hey, i enjoyed it. as did all my friends i screened it to. mission accomplished?So basically, what I gather from your posts, is I'm a bullshitter who's using a means to benefit off 9/11?I honestly want to know why you called me a bullshitter; I'd like to think I'm one of the most straightforward and honest people in this "movement."Granted, yes, I probably shouldn't care about what you think or type. But I don't want the first thing that people see when they come to this torrent is your accusations of bullshit.-Dylan (really)

Subject : Hi Dylan,

jamieboysmith69 at 2005-12-28 14:53:08

I haven't watched this or even started downloading it yet (but I will). I just want to know, do I need to watch the first one first or is this version a revamp?Are they different or the same?Thankyou.

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VisitorQ at 2005-12-28 17:56:08

quote:So basically, what I gather from your posts, is I'm a bullshitter who's using a means to benefit off 9/11?well i'm sorry, but you have to admit that there has been a numerous groups, associations, communities tryin to benefit their own cause (political, religious, financial, ego boosting, you name it) in the backlash of 9/11 events, that you must excuse me, if my natural response to anything concerning the affair is tentative and cynical. i can't help itquote:I honestly want to know why you called me a bullshitter; I'd like to think I'm one of the most straightforward and honest people in this "movement."web is full of bs. we all know that.and there's been such a wide variety of stuff going around after 9/11 events, it's just incredible.lot of that stuff is such self-evidently crap, it's appalling (and also amusing)and honestly, even tho everyone i know resents how the Bush administration operates, (well it's more like a subject of many good laughs than precise political rethoric, amongst the people i know) and might also take alot of interest on different theories surrounding the events of 9/11, they just don't buy this stuff straight off the counter as it's being offered. neither do i.one thing is for sure; not nearly the entire truth has been disclosed on any media so far. lots of open questions, sure.but openly accusing ones own goverment of murdering its own citizens?I'm sorry, but even as an european i just cannot buy it...quote:Granted, yes, I probably shouldn't care about what you think or type. But I don't want the first thing that people see when they come to this torrent is your accusations of bullshit.well, like i said. it's entertaining, and for such an "under the table" indie production, it's definitely well paced and planned out. people will be interested no matter what. but the fact that they want to see it, doesn't necessarily mean they want to believe everything it says...and who knows. perhaps this little bit of dialogue here will liven up this particular torrent even more so... =)EDITand in the light of recent events, i'd be totally paranoid if i was you. taking the fact that the bad guys must've had your phone tapped for quite a while now. and you're probably on your way to the top10 of, if not "threat to national security", then at least into the merry group of "inconvenience to the state". with Moore and others... ;) (this is supposed to be a compliment, i think)

VisitorQ at 2005-12-28 20:11:49

QUOTE: See Quoted Post BelowI'm a bullshitter, eh? You care to elaborate on that, or you just want to use the internet as a soapbox to anonymously trash other people's hard work?-Dylandude, somehow i doubt a famous filmmaker such as Dylan Avery could care less about some pathetic w4r3z0rs flaming opinions in a dam torrent forum..besides, i thought there was more positive than negative feedback on my meager post:i've seen both of the docs, and ejoyed them, tremendously.and i still think they're just a mean to benefit from the circus that surrounds the tragedy, by putting together some of the main arguments that conspiracy theory buffs have been throwing around the web since day one, thus creating totally controversial entity: a straight-out assault and accusation of blaming one's goverment of murdering it's own citizens... but i guess someone had to do itand hey, i enjoyed it. as did all my friends i screened it to. mission accomplished?

enigs at 2005-12-28 22:28:33

QUOTE: See Quoted Post Belowdude, somehow i doubt a famous filmmaker such as Dylan Avery could care less about some pathetic w4r3z0rs flaming opinions in a dam torrent forum..Nope, it's me. I keep my eye on all Loose Change torrents. That and I use this site on a daily basis for my own purposes.Famous? Ha. I wish.QUOTE: See Quoted Post Belowbesides, i thought there was more positive than negative feedback on my meager post: i've seen both of the docs, and ejoyed them, tremendously.Yea, but then you follow up with this:QUOTE: See Quoted Post Belowand i still think they're just a mean to benefit from the circus that surrounds the tragedy, by putting together some of the main arguments that conspiracy theory buffs have been throwing around the web since day one, thus creating totally controversial entity: a straight-out assault and accusation of blaming one's goverment of murdering it's own citizens... but i guess someone had to do itand hey, i enjoyed it. as did all my friends i screened it to. mission accomplished?So basically, what I gather from your posts, is I'm a bullshitter who's using a means to benefit off 9/11?I honestly want to know why you called me a bullshitter; I'd like to think I'm one of the most straightforward and honest people in this "movement."Granted, yes, I probably shouldn't care about what you think or type. But I don't want the first thing that people see when they come to this torrent is your accusations of bullshit.-Dylan (really)

Subject : No Subject

made^name at 2005-12-29 00:49:49

To the guy above me, it's not hard to believe that our government, and all those involved would kill us to get us behind a war. It's called disaster capitalism. As seen with pearl harbor, the great depression wasn't the great depression.. When you look at such facts that my personal mentor on the matter puts forth, for example in a video by michael ruppert called denial stops here, you can see he presents many facts to his beliefs/opinions/claims NOT conspiracy theorys. He has many believers not because that they are all conspiracy theorist, but simply because of his presentation, on the facts of the matter at the hands of our US government, and it's one video that's not simply put out there to present more 'what if's' and more questions (however raising doubt in the official story you've been given to believe for so long)Denial stops here is a film that he makes very strategic points to get the facts, and answers so many of us have to the official story on that day. Theres alot you refuse to believe because lets face it if in fact the whole world were to believe that we have been lied to for many, many years is hard to bite, much less swallow, which is why we choose to go with what we already know, and believe, and not care to question the many holes in the story given to us the very next day of 911.Sorry that I came in here to rant about another film, I just wanna let others know if this does not do it for you, and your not all about profiting off your i'm sure time spent, money invested own documentary, and if your all about getting the truth, and the facts out, not to present, oh there were bombs on the planes, the planes wern't planes, but remote controlled altered jet missles, yadda, yadda.Theres nothing wrong with an activist who tends to make some money off of what they are needing so much money to put the research up in front for your eyes, and ears. Present you with a story, much different then the one's most americans, non-americans alike believe. In order for them to keep teaching you/me giving you/me what you/me want to hear (The truth) I will buy, a book, I will buy a DVD, I don't see it as someone trying to capitalize off of others misery.

VisitorQ at 2005-12-29 01:56:08

QUOTE: See Quoted Post BelowSo basically, what I gather from your posts, is I'm a bullshitter who's using a means to benefit off 9/11?well i'm sorry, but you have to admit that there has been a numerous groups, associations, communities tryin to benefit their own cause (political, religious, financial, ego boosting, you name it) in the backlash of 9/11 events, that you must excuse me, if my natural response to anything concerning the affair is tentative and cynical. i can't help itQUOTE: See Quoted Post BelowI honestly want to know why you called me a bullshitter; I'd like to think I'm one of the most straightforward and honest people in this "movement."web is full of bs. we all know that.and there's been such a wide variety of stuff going around after 9/11 events, it's just incredible.lot of that stuff is such self-evidently crap, it's appalling (and also amusing)and honestly, even tho everyone i know resents how the Bush administration operates, (well it's more like a subject of many good laughs than precise political rethoric, amongst the people i know) and might also take alot of interest on different theories surrounding the events of 9/11, they just don't buy this stuff straight off the counter as it's being offered. neither do i.one thing is for sure; not nearly the entire truth has been disclosed on any media so far. lots of open questions, sure.but openly accusing ones own goverment of murdering its own citizens?I'm sorry, but even as an european i just cannot buy it...QUOTE: See Quoted Post BelowGranted, yes, I probably shouldn't care about what you think or type. But I don't want the first thing that people see when they come to this torrent is your accusations of bullshit.well, like i said. it's entertaining, and for such an "under the table" indie production, it's definitely well paced and planned out. people will be interested no matter what. but the fact that they want to see it, doesn't necessarily mean they want to believe everything it says...and who knows. perhaps this little bit of dialogue here will liven up this particular torrent even more so... =)EDITand in the light of recent events, i'd be totally paranoid if i was you. taking the fact that the bad guys must've had your phone tapped for quite a while now. and you're probably on your way to the top10 of, if not "threat to national security", then at least into the merry group of "inconvenience to the state". with Moore and others... ;) (this is supposed to be a compliment, i think)

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VisitorQ at 2005-12-29 04:29:55

Ah yes, Pearl Harbor. Now we can find similar parallelism from the history of US foreign policy as we can from Hebrew poetry...And what might that tell us?So what's next? After Afghanistan and Irak, follows the Iranian campaign. But instead of straight on assault and occupation of the country, what US is currently doing; provoking the Iranians to actually take the initiative like Roosevelt did with the Japs before Pearl Harbor.And here, we include Israel who will attack Iran's nukesites via Irak's airspace on US' permission. Iran will then retaliate against US Navy forces located on the gulf, and hey. we have ourselves another Pearl Harbor. Convenient indeed...

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made^name at 2005-12-29 05:44:41

what I mean by look at pearl harbor, is that both 9/11, and Pearl harbour attacks were known ahead of time, plenty of time to save lives, and protect ourselves. This however is well orcestrated mass murder, and deceit at the hands of the bush administration. We may be provoking them for one reason, we want, we need their oil, just like we needed to create a disaster of this magnitude on our own people, and blame a terrorist who glorifies the attacks but takes no credibility despite being one of the worst 'terrorist' attacks on US soil, his organization, and himself took no responsibility.Just don't be so stubborn, ask questions, don't you find the current explanation, and how fast it was recognized, a little strange? Why no evidence was analyed but immediately destroyed, because we already knew it was terrorist who did this.. Well it was but it wasn't masterminded by one guy, and his followers, in a little cave in Afghanistan, however, but much larger, and dimmer. If you want to continue to believe in what the media tells you, their also liars, if a fireman tells them they heard bombs going off inside the WTC, 'and it was so horrible' the media clips that part, and all you hear is it was horrible. But anyways form your own opinion, go about it your own ways, like I agree we are not trying to save our whole country, for my country, and those who believe conspiracy fact it doesn't exist anymore.

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mechaone at 2005-12-31 11:13:32

This is a post specifically to Dylan...from everyone whom ive shown either version of LC...Thank You. Lots of love n respect.All these cats can say anything they want, the issue is going to be actually opening their eyes, and starting to look around. At everything. It's all connected to the same big organizations and heartless people.Hey guys, find some docs relevant to ANYTHING Dylan stated in L.C. you will find a stunning similarity in facts. And if you simply found it &quot;entertaining&quot; what do you have to lose? It's far better to have heard and not believed, than to not have heard at all.And if you are interested, keep searching for the truth.That being said, i strongly suggest this film. 5 stars.Please show it to your friends and family.-mechaone

Subject : RE: ...

lukas85 at 2005-12-31 12:30:05

[/QUOTE]and in the light of recent events, i'd be totally paranoid if i was you. taking the fact that the bad guys must've had your phone tapped for quite a while now. and you're probably on your way to the top10 of, if not "threat to national security", then at least into the merry group of "inconvenience to the state". with Moore and others... ;) (this is supposed to be a compliment, i think)[/QUOTE]Saying Micheal Moore is an inconvenience to the state is like saying ants are viscious killers. You expect anyone to believe a man who recieves funding from the men in black suits who also act as his moderators to his films is a threat to National Security. The man openly admits to Alex Jones that speaking the truth on 9/11 would be un-American. So uncover your eyes to the mass media of the Creative News Network's and their counterparts FOX. I'm not going to spout off at the mouth saying that Bush was the man in charge of leading a Domestic Terrorist Attack to hurl the American people into a frenzy of fear and complete allegiance to his administration - honestly, the man can't even pronounce "subliminally". He takes orders from CI-Alqeada and the Skull and Bones aka Trilateral Commission. Wake up and open your eyes - the American people are slowly relinquishing their rights to a "Dictator" (and I use the term loosely persay an acting Dictator) who knows how to heal the country. Open your eyes to the rising police state - defend against martial law - do not surrender your arms - say no to the Patriot Act - Speak out against the unjust war - stand up for the freedoms that make America great. WAKE UP ALREADY!

Subject : RE: No Subject

enigs at 2006-01-02 18:07:40

quote:This is a post specifically to Dylan...from everyone whom ive shown either version of LC...Thank You. Lots of love n respect.All these cats can say anything they want, the issue is going to be actually opening their eyes, and starting to look around. At everything. It's all connected to the same big organizations and heartless people.Hey guys, find some docs relevant to ANYTHING Dylan stated in L.C. you will find a stunning similarity in facts. And if you simply found it &quot;entertaining&quot; what do you have to lose? It's far better to have heard and not believed, than to not have heard at all.And if you are interested, keep searching for the truth.That being said, i strongly suggest this film. 5 stars.Please show it to your friends and family.-mechaoneThanks buddy. Just trying to do what I feel in my heart to be the right thing...

enigs at 2006-01-03 02:07:40

QUOTE: See Quoted Post BelowThis is a post specifically to Dylan...from everyone whom ive shown either version of LC...Thank You. Lots of love n respect.All these cats can say anything they want, the issue is going to be actually opening their eyes, and starting to look around. At everything. It's all connected to the same big organizations and heartless people.Hey guys, find some docs relevant to ANYTHING Dylan stated in L.C. you will find a stunning similarity in facts. And if you simply found it "entertaining" what do you have to lose? It's far better to have heard and not believed, than to not have heard at all.And if you are interested, keep searching for the truth.That being said, i strongly suggest this film. 5 stars.Please show it to your friends and family.-mechaoneThanks buddy. Just trying to do what I feel in my heart to be the right thing...

Subject : the lot of them outside my world

choppawede at 2006-01-03 04:10:38

I thought the muslim enemy would be difficult to spot in a crowd. Obviously they are not the only ones in the crowd.The greatest thing of all, i believe is, wether the seppo government did it or the muslims. someone has a massive karmic debt to pay.Let them live to see out their failures. You thought 2000 degrees was hot?